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MILL STREET.
Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 3:58 am
by kiwi
- Unity Wharf, Mill St, Bermondsey
- VOGANS MILL, MILL STREET.
Re: MILL STREET.
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 3:05 pm
by fosney
Posted by deegs
Some interesting photo's on Flickr. These two are only 25 years apart, but some big differences in Mill Street from 1985 (by David Buckley) and Rob Telfords recent image: -
Re: MILL STREET.
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 1:59 pm
by fosney
Mill StreetVogans Wharf and Mill another Grade II Listed Building. The business started near to the Old Hays Wharf site in 1815 and moved to St Saviour's Dock in about 1840 when it was being developed.
The site was sold for residential development in 1986 after 150 years in Bermondsey and the business relocated to Cambridge.
St Saviour's Dock has a history of it's own, originally part of the Neckinger River for over 250 years it is one of " The Lost Rivers of London ". The river in it's time also served the tanning industry in Bermondsey.
Re: MILL STREET.
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:07 pm
by fosney
Posted by Kathy
Joe, many thanks for the link to Vogans Mill Management. I've fired off an email to them asking who I can contact to get a copy of the photo. Things like this really help to put "flesh on the bones" when researching family history.
My great great grandfather was a "horsehair manufacturer". This wasn't necessarily stuffing furninture with horsehair, but in his case was using horsehair fabric to cover furniture, or making hair sieves (see Mrs Beeton for references to hair sieves), or, and this may sound surprising, making crinolines. You see, the early crinolines were a mixture of horsehair and linen - 'crinoline' means just that (French I think).* These became fashionable around the 1830s when my gt gt grandparents moved down from Holborn, so there must have been textile factories in Bermondsey making crinolines. The fortunes of these early crinolines waned in the 1840s, when new lighter ones were made of sprung steel hoops, which reached very generous proportions (at least among the well-to-do) before prince Edward's wife influenced fashions in the late 19th century. By 1849 my gt gt grandfather was as 'general dealer', whatever that means, and in 1851 he was a costermonger, and they lived in London (Wolseley) Street (Jacobs Island), in very poor and grotty housing. Perhaps the demise of the early crinolines meant that he was laid off. Eleven years later he was back in the horsehair fabric industry, cutting horsehair fabric, so maybe the factory he worked for before recovered, finding other items to use the fabric on.
Do you know of any books on the industries that used to abound in Bermondsey/Southwark/Rotherhithe?
Kathy
*The horsehair and linen crinolines were hot and itchy, and were also heavy, especially once they increased in size.
Re: MILL STREET.
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:08 pm
by fosney
Kathy
Do a search " horsehair in Bermondsey " and you will find a few intersting articles of Horse Hair Manufacturers who lived in the Dockhead area. Does the name Coppdock mean anything to you as they were manufacturers who lived in Horslydown in the 1800s so it looks as if the trade went on in this area but I must admit its new to me. Can anyone else throw any light on the subject?
Also do a search " Horse Hair Factorys In Bermondsey " this reveals a lot and tells us the skins were brought to the market with the hair on and it was removed localy
Joe
Re: MILL STREET.
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:30 pm
by fosney
Posted by kathy
Horsehair manufacturers revisited - I found the following page from British Histories Online, which briefly mentions horsehair manufacturers among other trades that went on in Bermondsey.
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report ... mpid=45270 Go to the 22nd paragraph after the list at the top, or type "horsehair" into your Find facility, and look for "From the following enumeration..." and horsehair manufacturers are listed as part of the leather trade. There follows quite a detailed description of the leather and tanning trades. However, the 'book' doesn't explain what a horsehair manufacturer does.
Re: MILL STREET.
Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:29 am
by kiwi
Reeds Wharf, constructed originally to handle the grain trade from North America, have been converted to new uses, notably living and work spaces. 2017.
- Mill Street looking towards Reeds Wharf Bermondsey Wall.
Re: MILL STREET.
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2018 4:36 am
by kiwi
- MILL STREET, GREAT PHOTO
- Mill Street,2017, Think this is the same location
Re: MILL STREET.
Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:18 am
by kiwi