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I Believe it was opposite the now Underground Station - Keetons Road.
I just Googled 191 Jamaica Road and this is what came up,
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Somewhere around this area, I'm sure someone can confirm this, or point us in the right direction.
Bermondseyboy





-bermondseyboy





Yes the even numbers are on the south side & odds on the north side of Jamaica Road although 191 would have been further east (ie towards the tunnel). My dad told me that the "Admiral Hawk" was where the council have premises, so that must be the corner of Cherry Garden Street.



Regards




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I have now looked at old OS maps. If you look at the excerpt from the 1914 edition below I have marked most pubs in yellow and the current location of Bermondsey Underground station with their logo. From the photo, the Admiral Hawk is on a corner, so it would appear my Dad's memory is a little out and the Hawk must be (as marked in green) on the corner with Salisbury Street. Salisbury St has since been renamed Wilson Grove, so bermondseyboy's googlemaps image is prophetic!



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thanks for that info,thats sorted that out.now what was the name of that little pub where the station is now? also there is a pub on the corner of slippers place an cornick st called the white swan when they was knocking it down in 1958 we went an wrecked the piano .on an earlier post someone said slippers place! thats a funny name,well i was looking at an old map,1861 an it had half a dozen houses there an they were called slippery cottages an the white swan was there as well on a different note my dad was born in wormald place an alley off paradise st , but i've never seen it on a map and never known where it was and just the other day i'm reading charles booths survey of the london poor and in the hand written notes it says wormald place is also known as passfields rents and there it was by the police station  :great: then i look at the map you sent and its there as wormald place anyway thanks for that. can you tell me where i can get a copy of the map you sent  cheers jim

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Hi jimmika

Think the pub where the station now is might have been the Clarence but not at all sure. Reproductions of the OS maps are available on-line from Alan Godfrey Maps  (hope it's okay to post that). I have bought several from them, sheet 77 covers most of Bermondsey (1872, 1894 & 1914 available) and there are similar maps for all over London (ie sheet 90 labelled Old Kent Road & 78 for Rotherhithe are useful for Bermondsey researches).

Looking at the extract posted, I've notice that quite a few pubs are next door neighbours to Churches, Mission halls & Sunday schools!

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yes it was the clarence well done i was racking my brains loverly little pub that was just one room with a low ceiling i had to met my girlfriend in there when i fell out with her family then we would walk to the bus stop by the greg and i would go to work at courages on southwark bridge rd the largest bottling plant in europe an drink till 6 in the morning      happy days

send us that map freddie

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send us that map freddie

-jimmika

Hi jimmika,
Apart from it being illegal, the OS Maps are too large to scan or photocopy. TBH they are quite inexpensive and contain much more info on the reverse like excerpts from Kellys/Post Office directories (listing business proprietors etc) that it is really more than worth while paying the £2.50 each.  As I mentioned, I've bought sheet 77 Bermondsey & Wapping for 1872, 1894, 1914, sheet 78 Rotherhithe for 1868, 1894, 1914 and sheet 90 Old Kent Road for 1871, 1894 & 1914. They have more than repaid me with hours of entertainment (and information when needed to clarify researches). They are invaluable, just get the one closest to your interest.

PS. I believe they are available to buy from the local studies department of Peckham library. I dare say most libraries will also have copies in their reference section.
 

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send us that map freddie
-jimmika


You might find this on-line map handy (MAPCO Stanfords Central London 1897) which covers Bermondsey. Just click on the square you are interested in to zoom in!
http://archivemaps.com/mapco/stanford/stanford.htm

There are several others on the same site (below), but the above is probably more what you're after
http://www.victorianlondon.org/frame-maps.htm

Regards


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ok thanks freddie   its difficult to pop into peckham library im in slovakia at the moment but thanks for the links

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The pub near the tube station was indeed The Clarence, I worked there in 1973.

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Looking at the picture of "The Sultan" on St James Road, anyone remember the landlords daughter Jackie. We were great drinking partners,she used to work behind the bar,this would be in  the mid 70s would love to hear from her again. She showed me one time what was the cellar,originally it was the bar but when they raised the road outside,the first floor became the bar.and the ground floor bar the cellar the bar tops were still down there. apparently the cellar was haunted by the cries of a dray horse, it was when then used the dray horses to lower the barrels down to the cellar. It was winter and thick ice outside and the horse slipped while lowering a barrel and ended up halfway down in the cellar and was put down. Don`t know if this was true as I never heard the nay of the horse but after quite a few whiskies and being down in the original cellar in the semi darkness I believed it at the time

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The Neptune c1908
Was built on the corner of Adam Street & Neptune Street in 1890. With the building of the Rotherhithe Tunnel (the road tunnel) the entrance to which cut through Neptune Street, the roads were renamed Brunel Road & Rupack Street respectively.

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Hi bermondsey boy & Freddie
managed at last to get permission from English Heritage to display picture
of Rouel Tavern.

David

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Hi bermondsey boy & Freddie
managed at last to get permission from English Heritage to display picture
of Rouel Tavern.
David


-taxi105



Well done David, not seen that pic before. The Rouel Tavern was on the corner of Rouel Road & Lucey Road. The name of CH Mogridge "over the door" will mean it was taken between 1910 & 1934 as there were different landlords in those years.


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Hi bermondsey boy & Freddie
managed at last to get permission from English Heritage to display picture
of Rouel Tavern.
David
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-taxi105

Great Pic, was the pub closed in the early fifties, seem to remember as a kid the post outside but not the sign am I right.
Rick
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Rouel Tavern

Hi Rick
The pub was, I believe bombed during WW11, I played as a kid inside it, literally with all the fixing and plaster hanging off the walls.
The staircase to the upper floor was torn in half and we would leg it up to get to the upper floors, really dangerous if you think about it. As kids we thought it was an adventure playground. One more thing we built a camp in the ground at the back of the pub and used all the marble from the bars to form a crazy paving path, which led to the door of our camp / shelter which was also built from the remains of the pub.

Cheeers
David

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That pub is the swan and sugarloaf  +SAS+

My mother was born in Hickmans Folly it was in between george row and parkers row

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I have this photo one of them on this beano is my grandmother

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Is there a photo of the George which stood in George Row until relatively recently?

I think it used to be a courage pub - as kids the off-sales counter was the only place to get sweets after the shops had shut.

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Hi Deegs

Here is a photo of my grandfather, Harry Longworth, outside a pub ready to go on a beano.
My grandfather is the middle one of the three men in the front row of the photo.
I was always told the pub in the photo was called The George and that it was in Abbey Street.
I looked it up on the internet and the only George listed was The George, 19 George Row so maybe it was at the Abbey Street end of George Row.
If you look closely it's a Mann Crossman Paulin pub.
Is this the pub you refer to?
If you, or anyone, knows what the pub in the photo was/is called and where it was/is please let me know.

Thanks

Lesley

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Hello Bermondseygal,

You are correct. The George (The Royal George?) used to be in Abbey St, almost opposite where Riley Road joined with Abbey St. It is now a small block of flats. I am sure that there is photo
on this site of the pub? I used to live in St Vincent House that was just around the corner to the pub from '63 to '75 (after moving from Park Buildings, Paradise St) when I was 6 months old.
When I lived in the area it was run the (Harry) Dodds family

Regards
Phil Burkett (Bermondsey Beat)

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